HW: [Laughs] I'm an aging cheetah for sure. I used to be on T.V. I definitely played the role. We were talking at the beginning of the chat about the music business. It's a funny, strange, and phony business at times, but I played the game. I was on MuchMusic and I loved those years. I loved how all that stuff was challenging.
But the title really started just because I liked the sound of it. I love the sound of Old Cheetah. I like that it feels like a non sequitur. But I definitely did give a lot of thought to my role in the business of entertainment and the music business, and what it is from music that I need or want.
Music for me and for lots of people, it felt like it saved my life a lot of times, and especially when you're a teenager. You feel music intensely. I still want to invite new music into my life, but the music business doesn't see me as a viable customer. They don't support music for people like me. So I have to go looking and what I discover is that there are artists who are speaking beauty, love, and truth that are maybe not on T.V. Maybe they aren't pretty. Maybe they aren't young. Maybe they aren't all the requisite elements to become a pop star, but it doesn't make them any less important. They might be more important in some ways.
I think about the way that we still celebrate Neil Young and Leonard Cohen. I'm personally still devoted to Bruce Cockburn, too. We lose something because of the youth obsession with modern pop culture. We do lose a more nuanced discussion in the face of another Taylor Swift and Nicki Minaj beef. It doesn't advance culture. It's just WWF wrestling played out in the music business.
Hip-Hop really figured that out. They know that Americans love a conflict. So if you can invite conflict like, 'Well, I'm beefing with this guy and this guy's beefing with that guy.' It's just good business. But is that what I want? If I'm going to spend an hour with a record do I want to listen to songs about beefs between Nicki Minaj and Taylor Swift? No. I'm more interested in hearing about Leonard Cohen's spiritual journey or Neil Young's outspoken environmental rants or Bruce Cockburn talking about political difficulties in Central America. Am I sounding insane or are you getting what I'm saying?
LA: [Laughs] I'm definitely getting what you're saying. You're saying that instead of focusing on pop culture, you want something real.
HW: Yeah. I guess I could have just said that as well [laughs].
LA: [Laughs] No, your words are so much better. So not including The God That Comes, Old Cheetah is your first solo release since the 2010 albums, Meat and Milk. It seemed critics didn't quite understand those records and they received mixed reactions. Were you worried about how people would respond to Old Cheetah? Is that something you even think about at this point in your career?
HW: The ego part of you always wants to be liked. I want people to like the records and like the music. When I think back to Meat and Milk, critics seemed to really dig Meat, but thought Milk was a total disaster. It's funny because Milk to me is a real songwriter's record, but it was produced by a Swedish techno guy. People unfortunately focused on the window dressing of Milk and didn't realize that maybe there was some pretty interesting songwriting on it.
So when I put out Old Cheetah, of course I wanted it to be received and I wanted people to like it. I think there isn't nearly as much music journalism or music criticism like there used to be when I first released records back in the late '90s. There's a lot less press to read because there's just a lot less press. But people seem to respond rather positively to Old Cheetah.
I think that Old Cheetah was given context because of the Mounties record as well. If you heard Thrash Rock Legacy and then you heard Old Cheetah, it'd be like, 'Oh, yeah, I see where he's going'. Milk came out of nowhere. It was like, 'What the fuck does this guy think he's doing?' So Mounties gave real context and that opened it up for people writing reviews about the record. It gave them a sense of where I had come from and it wasn't such a huge surprise.
With that said, my plans are to make a quiet singer-songwriter record in the winter. Old Cheetah is amazing. I love the record and I always will. It represents a lot of interesting breakthroughs and confidence about things that I may not have been so confident about in the past.
There's recklessness to it. There's a lot of young energy on that record. But as I was touring, I felt strongly that I'm going to hunker down in January and sit at the piano instead of trying to wow people with wildness, recklessness, craziness, and huge textual landscapes. I am a songwriter first and foremost. I think I'm just going to write songs and see how that turns out. Do you know what I mean?
LA: Yeah. Old Cheetah balances well you being adventurous but still pleasing fans in the process, whereas, maybe with Milk people were confused by it.
HW: [Lots of laughter]
LA: But Old Cheetah really showcases everything that you do. Like you mentioned, you can hear the influence of Mounties on it. Some of the tunes lean more on your theatrical side and are a throwback to your earlier albums. And then there are plenty of songs that speak to the heart. So I don't know if you would agree that even though this is your 15th album, Old Cheetah seems like a good starting point for someone who has maybe never heard a Hawksley Workman record before?
HW: Yeah, man, thanks for saying that! It's clear you've listened to the music. I just really appreciate that you've listened to the music and have this feeling. I maybe didn't even really think of it like that. If somebody said, Well, what other record of yours do you think Old Cheetah comes closest to it? I think for me it's (Last Night We Were) The Delicious Wolves, which was my breakthrough record. It was the record that won me my loyal fan base and all the great stuff that I'm so grateful for.
There was just no "Striptease" this time. The radio was a bit cool on the single. You listen to indie radio right now, and I've never been in step with fashion, but there's no guitar music on indie radio for the most part. Indie right now is the sound of electronic music. So I once again put out a record that wasn't in step with what's fashionable, but I have never really done that anyway.
When "Striptease" was put on the radio all those years ago, it was due to the work of one person called Meghan Symsyk. She was young and worked for Universal. She heard "Striptease" and thought, "This is a huge song." She fought for it to be played on The Edge. When it turned into a big hit in Canada, it was back in the day when there was a lot more corporate rock music in Canada. The Our Lady Peaces, who I really like, and other bands like them. They had a huge presence on MuchMusic and radio. When the "Striptease" thing came along, it was totally out of left field. I guess I'm getting used to being somebody who doesn't make fashionable records.